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    Re: And you thought consolidation was bad...

    The more you make , the less aid you can get. And the remark about nurses , educators and doctors goes exactly along with what I said. The people I have a problem with are the ones who get the funding and never work in their chosen field. If they were to have to pay back the funds, it would be different. Our country simply can't afford to send everybody to school till they are 22.
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    Re: And you thought consolidation was bad...

    Too many career students and too many ill-prepared and unmotivated students monopolize resources that more motivated, ready to work individuals could be using.
    Since career students usually are low-income/no-income they qualify for a significant amount of government-backed educational assistance (everything from tax breaks to research grants, scholarships, etc.)

    I wonder what percentage of government aid career students absorb....
    You'll shoot your eye out.

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    Re: And you thought consolidation was bad...

    IMO, there should be a "maximum amount of time" limit imposed on students receiving government funds for education. For example, a student attending full time should only be able to receive 5 years worth of funds to obtain a 4 year degree...that would allow a little wiggle room in case a student couldn't pass 3-4 subjects on the first go (which is, IMO, more than enough wiggle room). I also think there should be a system in place to ensure that any student receiving government funds is working towards a legit diploma..and not some off the wall BS. It would cut down on waste. I also think that there should be levels of government funding for education. For example, until a student receives a bachelor's degree IMO they should be eligible for the maximum amount of financial aid up to the equivalent of 5 years of classes (based on credits taken whether they passed or failed). The only exception for aid after 5 years (of credit hours) should be if a person has to take a class to re-certify a professional license or something of that nature that directly relates to their employment or profession...and is REQUIRED. Once this threshold is passed, there should be another level based on past academic performance and income for up to 2 more years to allow for a student to obtain a masters degree. If certain criteria hasn't been met (such as a minimum GPA in the student's undergrad work) the student should be disqualified from receiving government money to further their education past a bachelors degree. But, if the student meets all qualifications, IMO the government should help them go as far as they can. Therefore, upon completion of the masters degree, government funds should be available for students to achieve a doctorate given that they again meet stringent requirements. Another thing....IMO the government should be able to regulate the cost of a post secondary education to ensure not only that college costs don't spiral out of control for a government funded education, but also that they don't spiral out of control for people having to pay out of their pockets as well. A program set up like this could work, and cut down on waste at the same time.
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    Re: And you thought consolidation was bad...

    (CNN) -- The superintendent of the Kansas City, Missouri, school district on Thursday defended a plan to shutter nearly half the district's schools.

    "No one likes closing schools. It's hard. It's tough on families, and it's certainly tough on our community," superintendent John Covington said Thursday.

    "Closing schools and making the remaining schools much stronger academically is unquestionably the right thing to do. We were operating far too many schools," he said.

    He said the district was only using about 60 percent of the seats in its elementary schools, 40 percent in its middle schools and an even smaller percentage in its high schools.

    After weeks of contentious debate and years of dwindling enrollment, a divided Kansas City Board of Education voted Wednesday night to approve what Covington calls the "right-size" plan.

    The plan will close 29 education facilities, including 26 schools, according to the district.

    Some parents voiced anger. Some students cried.

    "I have an 8-year-old and a 6-year-old that will be going to school with 12th graders. I find that very inappropriate. I don't feel my children will be safe," Deneicia Williams told CNN affiliate KSHB-TV.

    "I feel like I have nothing, I have no high school legacy. I feel like I have nothing, nothing to go back to," said Prince Jones, a senior, who will be part of the final graduating class at Westport High School.


    Covington proposed the plan arguing that the financial future of the entire school district was at stake. The plan also cuts 700 jobs and saves $50 million to help reduce a burgeoning deficit.

    School districts across America, hit hard by budget cuts, have been struggling to make ends meet.

    They have had to make tough choices between closures, program cuts, bus route cancellations and layoffs of teachers and staff. Schools in at least 17 states have opted for four-day weeks.

    Are your schools having trouble? Share your story

    Covington said the closures were the first phase of "right-sizing" a district where enrollments have plummeted from more than 35,000 in the 1999-2000 school year to about 17,000 in 2009-10.

    "Closing schools is hard, and it is tough on the community," Covington said recently in remarks posted on the superintendent's Web site.

    "Closing schools and making the remaining schools much stronger academically is unquestionably the right thing to do for kids," he said. "Keeping all of the schools open with too few children in them is draining the resources we need to improve the education of all students."

    But four of the nine board members disagreed with Covington.

    "I deserve the right to make a rational decision based on facts, and we were never given facts about student achievement," Cokethea Hill, who voted against the closings, told KHSB.

    Some members of the public showed up Wednesday to air their last-minute appeals.

    "What I'm asking you today to do is to give our children justice," said Ron Hunt, a community activist.

    Others worried that school closures would lead to deterioration of communities and drive residents out of the district.

    "The blighting of the urban core is scandalous and shameful," said Sharon Sanders Brooks.

    Covington is slated to discuss the school closings at a news conference Thursday morning.

    Kansas City superintendent defends plan to shutter schools - CNN.com

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    Re: And you thought consolidation was bad...

    Don't agree with me too much Stripes, or you'll get labeled a Socialist as well...lol
    ...And if you ain't down with that, I got 2 words for ya....

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    Re: And you thought consolidation was bad...

    Quote Originally Posted by sup-rbeast View Post
    Don't agree with me too much Stripes, or you'll get labeled a Socialist as well...lol
    I definitely don't want that stigma.
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    Re: And you thought consolidation was bad...

    Well, you're workin' on it..
    ...And if you ain't down with that, I got 2 words for ya....

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    Re: And you thought consolidation was bad...

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    * Detroit Public Schools Academic Plan
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    * Bobb Outlines Academic Overhaul for Detroit Public Schools

    DETROIT (WXYZ) - Emergency Financial Manager Robert Bobb is holding a news conference to unveil his plan to close 44 Detroit schools.

    Robert Bobb says the move is due to the shrinking student population. Forty-four schools will close in June. Six additional schools will shut down in June of 2011 and seven more the year after that.

    Over the next four to five years, Bobb projects the Detroit School District will see an enrollment drop of 30,000 students.

    Some of the city's oldest schools are on the closure list.

    It's all part of $1 billion academic plan to revamp the school district by consolidating schools and renovating buildings that will remain open.

    "This program is neighborhood focused to support all of Detroit neighborhoods with quality schools," the Associated Press quotes Bobb as saying. "Most importantly, it's taking into consideration where the city is going."

    Bobb also says with fewer schools the numbers of principals, assistant principals and custodians would also decrease.

    Wednesday's announcement comes on the heels of a meeting where Robert Bobb introduced his detailed academic plan for Detroit Public Schools.

    In the overall academic plan, Bobb calls for 100 percent passing rate for the Michigan Educational Assessment Program, a 98 percent graduation rate, average daily attendance for students, more teachers achieving National Board Certification, higher ACT scores and more graduates going on to college.

    SEE LIST: 44 Detroit Schools to Close in June || WXYZ.com | WXYZ-TV / Detroit | Detroit News, Weather, Sports and More

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